TOUGH MOVES

Short Talk with Jakob Michal (Director) and Suzanne de Carrasco (Cinematographer)

BEST SHORT STUDENT DOCUMETNARY FILM Category

22nd IN THE PALACE International Short Film Festival 2025

Germany, Documentary, English, German, 00:15:20, 2024

Synopsis: In "Tough Moves" 13-year-old Arminius navigates the contrasting worlds of his unique sport: chessboxing. In one moment, he is immersed in the calm concentration of the chessboard; in the next, he is engaged in the intense physicality of the boxing ring. This challenging balance extends into his home life, where his father, also his boxing coach, imposes rigorous training. Together, they prepare for the upcoming German championship.

Biography: Jakob Michal is a director and editor based in Berlin. Raised in a small village near Hamburg as the child of two journalists, he developed an early passion for filmmaking. After his graduation, he spent several years working at a commercial film production company in Hamburg. 2020, he moved to Berlin to study history and politics at the Free University of Berlin. Since October 2023, he is studying directing at the Film University Babelsberg KONRAD WOLF. Tough Moves is his debut project.

Jakob Michal, director

Raya Hristova: I want to ask about the sport of chess boxing, because I didn’t know that was even a thing before watching your film. Is it something common in Germany? 

Jakob Michal: I think we hadn’t heard of it either. We actually started out wanting to make a film about a young chess player, and then we discovered that there’s this very small community in Berlin doing chess boxing. Basically, you enter a boxing ring and play chess for three minutes. Then the bell rings, they take the chessboard out, and you box for three minutes. Then back to chess and you continue switching until someone either gets knocked out or checkmated. At first, we just thought it was a funny idea. But when we went to a few training sessions, that’s when we met Robert and Arminios Rolle, the father and son. Robert is the boxing coach and Arminios is his son. They really stood out to us. They had this intense dynamic, and Arminios was just 13 years old. They were taking it all very seriously, and that really interested us.

Raya Hristova: How was it working with them? 

Michal: Working with them was actually quite easy. We spent a lot of time just getting to know them before filming, no camera, just hanging out. We helped them move just to earn their trust. They also already had some experience being in front of a camera. They make their own YouTube videos, so they were pretty professional. For us, the challenge was actually to get to the more intimate, real parts of their lives, to make them feel like we weren’t there. 

Raya Hristova: Suzanne, were there any challenges for you while shooting?

Suzanne de Carrasco: I didn’t really face any struggles. The collaboration with Jakob was really smooth. He gave me a lot of freedom to shoot what I felt was right in the moment, but we always checked in with each other to make sure the choices worked. I also really got along with the family. After a while, they just accepted me being right next to them all the time with the camera. I’m really grateful for how naturally they welcomed me into their space.

Raya Hristova: You mentioned that Arminios is 13. How did you direct him and explain what you needed for the film?

Michal: He actually understood what we were trying to do pretty well. The challenge wasn’t so much the directing, it was getting close to him. He’s a quiet, shy kid. And his father is very present, very dominant. Often Robert would answer questions for him. So it was sometimes difficult to get alone time with just Arminios, to hear his own voice and perspective.

Raya Hristova: Was he nervous about being on camera? 

Michal: I think he was nervous. And maybe he would have performed differently at the event we filmed if we hadn’t been there. But we talked a lot about boundaries. He always knew he could say, “I don’t want to be filmed right now.” We even discussed what would happen if he lost the match. But he always said, “No, it’s okay. You can keep filming. I don’t mind.”

Raya Hristova: The film shows some pretty intense moments, were the matches real?

De Carrasco: Yes, they were real. He had two matches. He lost the first one, and then he took another fight and lost that one too. I didn’t cry while shooting, but afterward, I really felt it. We’d spent a lot of time with this family and really grew close to them. So seeing him lose, especially knowing how hard he’d trained and how much pressure he was under because of his father, it was very emotional. His father is a former boxing champion, so there’s this automatic weight of expectation. It was tough to watch.

Interviewer: Raya Hristova

Editor: Martin Kudlac